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		<title>By: Frugal in the Fruitlands &#187; And the Subaru lived happily ever after</title>
		<link>http://www.frugalfruitlands.net/2008/04/28/everything-unexpected-and-unpleasant-in-my-financial-life-has-to-do-with-cars/comment-page-1/#comment-446</link>
		<dc:creator>Frugal in the Fruitlands &#187; And the Subaru lived happily ever after</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 18:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] by Lise on 09 May 2008 at 02:47 pm &#124; Tagged as: Uncategorized  Our first step in solving the Subaru transmission dilemma was bringing it to a transmission specialist nearby. This, as it turned out, was the only step [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] by Lise on 09 May 2008 at 02:47 pm | Tagged as: Uncategorized  Our first step in solving the Subaru transmission dilemma was bringing it to a transmission specialist nearby. This, as it turned out, was the only step [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 01:35:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lise,

A couple things to note: a new transmission doesn&#039;t buy you a lot more time on the car, I&#039;ve been quoted that a new transmission gets you another year or two at most.

I bought a slightly used Matrix.  I have a 2005 and I bought it slightly more than one year ago.

If you&#039;d like to sit and chat some time, we can do that, and of course, you know my screen name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lise,</p>
<p>A couple things to note: a new transmission doesn&#8217;t buy you a lot more time on the car, I&#8217;ve been quoted that a new transmission gets you another year or two at most.</p>
<p>I bought a slightly used Matrix.  I have a 2005 and I bought it slightly more than one year ago.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;d like to sit and chat some time, we can do that, and of course, you know my screen name.</p>
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		<title>By: Frugal in the Fruitlands &#187; Car Repair or Replacement Action Plan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frugal in the Fruitlands &#187; Car Repair or Replacement Action Plan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] personal finance  Thanks to all the folks - here and on my LJ - who have given me advice on my Subaru and its transmission problems. It seems I have a few [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] personal finance  Thanks to all the folks &#8211; here and on my LJ &#8211; who have given me advice on my Subaru and its transmission problems. It seems I have a few [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Lise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:12:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the encouragement, Lizz. You have a bigger family to transport, too, so it&#039;s a much more key decision for you. Good luck yourself!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the encouragement, Lizz. You have a bigger family to transport, too, so it&#8217;s a much more key decision for you. Good luck yourself!</p>
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		<title>By: Lise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:12:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Heh - I guess I am a little bitter, Nicole. I dislike driving and I&#039;m not thrilled that I&#039;m forced into making crucial decisions about something I don&#039;t even value.

Actually what&#039;s frustrating me right now is all the different opinions I&#039;m trying to sort through. Nothing wrong with people offering them - and I certainly asked for people to offer them! - but it&#039;s a lot to take in.

Right now I&#039;m working on just educating myself before I jump into any big decisions. Things like this should not be done without an excess of emotional attachment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Heh &#8211; I guess I am a little bitter, Nicole. I dislike driving and I&#8217;m not thrilled that I&#8217;m forced into making crucial decisions about something I don&#8217;t even value.</p>
<p>Actually what&#8217;s frustrating me right now is all the different opinions I&#8217;m trying to sort through. Nothing wrong with people offering them &#8211; and I certainly asked for people to offer them! &#8211; but it&#8217;s a lot to take in.</p>
<p>Right now I&#8217;m working on just educating myself before I jump into any big decisions. Things like this should not be done without an excess of emotional attachment.</p>
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		<title>By: Lizz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lizz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow - We&#039;re having a very similar car/no new car debate. We personally have decided that when we finance our next car it will be a 3-year lease with 15,000 miles a year. (Far more than we actually drive.) I&#039;ve been beating myself about the head and shoulders trying to decide whether or not to actually go ahead with a new car... right now the black and blue marks are reading, &quot;not yet.&quot; Good luck with your decision. Let us know what you decide!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow &#8211; We&#8217;re having a very similar car/no new car debate. We personally have decided that when we finance our next car it will be a 3-year lease with 15,000 miles a year. (Far more than we actually drive.) I&#8217;ve been beating myself about the head and shoulders trying to decide whether or not to actually go ahead with a new car&#8230; right now the black and blue marks are reading, &#8220;not yet.&#8221; Good luck with your decision. Let us know what you decide!</p>
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		<title>By: nicole</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 17:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Lise,

I assume your upset about this situation - understandably so - but you&#039;re coming off a little bitter in this post. 

Therefore, you might want to reach acceptance of the situation before you make any decisions on how to fix it. Your judgement might be clouded by your irritation and could take away from your ability to make the best choice...

I can feel for you. I&#039;ve been there. 

Also, don&#039;t lease, you&#039;re wasting money. It&#039;s an expensive rental. Plus you drive a lot of miles, won&#039;t you go over and have to pay later? 

You could also:

Save as much as possible until the transmission actually goes then buy a beater for cheap for the time being until you can save more or find a better option.

You might save yourself 6 months - 1 yr and with some diligence find a perfect fit and pay cash for it.

That&#039;s my opinion. Do what you want with it. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Lise,</p>
<p>I assume your upset about this situation &#8211; understandably so &#8211; but you&#8217;re coming off a little bitter in this post. </p>
<p>Therefore, you might want to reach acceptance of the situation before you make any decisions on how to fix it. Your judgement might be clouded by your irritation and could take away from your ability to make the best choice&#8230;</p>
<p>I can feel for you. I&#8217;ve been there. </p>
<p>Also, don&#8217;t lease, you&#8217;re wasting money. It&#8217;s an expensive rental. Plus you drive a lot of miles, won&#8217;t you go over and have to pay later? </p>
<p>You could also:</p>
<p>Save as much as possible until the transmission actually goes then buy a beater for cheap for the time being until you can save more or find a better option.</p>
<p>You might save yourself 6 months &#8211; 1 yr and with some diligence find a perfect fit and pay cash for it.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s my opinion. Do what you want with it. :)</p>
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		<title>By: Lise</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 16:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the advice, Chad. You&#039;re the second person to mention that I could see about having a new transmission put in. I need to figure out if that&#039;s cost effective. $2,000 is less than the value of the car, if that&#039;s what it costs.

Did you buy a new or a used Matrix?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the advice, Chad. You&#8217;re the second person to mention that I could see about having a new transmission put in. I need to figure out if that&#8217;s cost effective. $2,000 is less than the value of the car, if that&#8217;s what it costs.</p>
<p>Did you buy a new or a used Matrix?</p>
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		<title>By: The Transmission Mechanicsblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quick scan of the net - transmission mechanic</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Transmission Mechanicsblog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quick scan of the net - transmission mechanic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 19:09:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.electric-monk.net/lise/2008/04/28/everything-unexpected-and-unpleasant-in-my-financial-li...Bringing it to my mechanic to fix, he diagnosed a major transmission problem and gave the car three months to live. I have no idea how this happened. The mechanic suggested that transmissions shouldn’t fail like that, and that the fluid &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://www.electric-monk.net/lise/2008/04/28/everything-unexpected-and-unpleasant-in-my-financial-li...Bringing" rel="nofollow">http://www.electric-monk.net/lise/2008/04/28/everything-unexpected-and-unpleasant-in-my-financial-li&#8230;Bringing</a> it to my mechanic to fix, he diagnosed a major transmission problem and gave the car three months to live. I have no idea how this happened. The mechanic suggested that transmissions shouldn’t fail like that, and that the fluid &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Apr 2008 17:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, a couple of comments:

Transmissions suck.  I had mine die on the old Altima, and at the time I needed it fixed because I was driving down to VA for a conference, and I wasn&#039;t prepared to go car shopping.  

That set me back $2000.  _ouch_.

So you&#039;ll be doing much better by preparing for a newer car now.  And in that vein, a few comments:

First, auto loans can suck nuggets.  Especially if you get it from the auto dealer.  Don&#039;t.  Go to your local credit union and get a preapproved used auto loan there.  Not only will you get a much better loan overall, but you will have better leverage when negotiating for the car.  You can bargain them down pretty hard, and then spring out the fact that you have a preapproved loan, when they may have been expecting to get some grease off of giving you a loan.  To give you an idea, I was preapproved for up to 20k for a used loan, at 5.5% interest on a 60 month loan, so yes, you can get acceptable loans.  (I didn&#039;t use the whole 20k, obviously).

As for the vehicle itself, to really get you money out of it, look for something 2-3 years old, low mileage, one owner.  That seems to be where the curve of value/cost takes a bend.  Before that you&#039;re spending too much for a used car, after that, you&#039;re losing long term life of the vehicle.  I have to admit, the Matrix is a very sweet vehicle, roomy, with good cargo capacity, but not an SUV.  I get about 26MPG, but I don&#039;t do a lot of highway *and* I have the all-wheel drive package, both of which lower fuel efficiency.  If you skip the AWD, I wouldn&#039;t be surprised to see numbers up to 35 MPG.  The Scion happens to be Toyota&#039;s budget line.  I looked at it, but one of them looks like a box on wheels, and the other was squinchier and didn&#039;t have the options I wanted.  The Yaris is a two-door vehicle which may not be a problem for you, but I occasionally ferry people, and this vehicle should last me long enough that if/when children exist, I can get a car seat in and out without killing myself.  Until then, the back seats fold down enough that I carried a whole refrigerator in there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, a couple of comments:</p>
<p>Transmissions suck.  I had mine die on the old Altima, and at the time I needed it fixed because I was driving down to VA for a conference, and I wasn&#8217;t prepared to go car shopping.  </p>
<p>That set me back $2000.  _ouch_.</p>
<p>So you&#8217;ll be doing much better by preparing for a newer car now.  And in that vein, a few comments:</p>
<p>First, auto loans can suck nuggets.  Especially if you get it from the auto dealer.  Don&#8217;t.  Go to your local credit union and get a preapproved used auto loan there.  Not only will you get a much better loan overall, but you will have better leverage when negotiating for the car.  You can bargain them down pretty hard, and then spring out the fact that you have a preapproved loan, when they may have been expecting to get some grease off of giving you a loan.  To give you an idea, I was preapproved for up to 20k for a used loan, at 5.5% interest on a 60 month loan, so yes, you can get acceptable loans.  (I didn&#8217;t use the whole 20k, obviously).</p>
<p>As for the vehicle itself, to really get you money out of it, look for something 2-3 years old, low mileage, one owner.  That seems to be where the curve of value/cost takes a bend.  Before that you&#8217;re spending too much for a used car, after that, you&#8217;re losing long term life of the vehicle.  I have to admit, the Matrix is a very sweet vehicle, roomy, with good cargo capacity, but not an SUV.  I get about 26MPG, but I don&#8217;t do a lot of highway *and* I have the all-wheel drive package, both of which lower fuel efficiency.  If you skip the AWD, I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to see numbers up to 35 MPG.  The Scion happens to be Toyota&#8217;s budget line.  I looked at it, but one of them looks like a box on wheels, and the other was squinchier and didn&#8217;t have the options I wanted.  The Yaris is a two-door vehicle which may not be a problem for you, but I occasionally ferry people, and this vehicle should last me long enough that if/when children exist, I can get a car seat in and out without killing myself.  Until then, the back seats fold down enough that I carried a whole refrigerator in there.</p>
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