Let’s Not Forget Depression is a Dirty Word
Posted by Lise on 27 Jun 2008 at 12:54 am | Tagged as: economics, frugality
I want to bring your attention to this thought-provoking article on Unclutterer, Depression-era mindset and clutter. While not in the frugality niche, per se, it struck a chord with me because it made me realize how disturbing I find the glamorization of Depression-era thinking in the frugality blogosphere.
“Frugality bloggers glamorize the Great Depression! Surely you don’t mean that!” But, come on, it’s everywhere. From articles that ask us to consider if a recession might really be a good thing, to Dollar Stretcher articles that talk about cutting the bad spots off half-rotten fruit because goddammit, our grandparents only got a single orange for Christmas, to that old saw, “Use it up, wear it out, make it do, or do without”… it’s clear that frugality bloggers believe that there is great wisdom in the mindset of people brought up in great poverty.
Let’s look at the other side of the equation, as Unclutterer has done. I’m sure it’s not a 1 to 1 correlation universally, but there’s a strong connection between that kind of thinking and hoarding. The down side of growing up with not a lot is that suddenly your mind switches into famine mode; everything that passes through your hands must be kept for the hard times ahead. “Well, what’s wrong with that?” Within reason, nothing. However, it is often coupled with an ingenuity that might lead such a person to refill ketchup bottles with ketchup packets from fast food restaurants or save butter wrappers to grease pans. Stuff builds up, because everything is potentially useful; in the end, this Depression-era hoarder ends up drowning in their own stuff, bereft at the thought of letting any of it go.
If you think I’m exaggerating any of this, imagine me, eight years old, spending my after-school hours and summers with my grandmother, born in 1925. She lives with my aunt in a tiny house that couldn’t even be generously called a “ranch.” It’s a single floor, cobbled together from spare lumber. There are two bedrooms and one bath off a central kitchen and living area; and a screened porch.
It’s a tiny space, and yet every spare inch is filled to capacity with: old newspapers, old TV Guides, my mother’s childhood toys, my childhood toys, clothes my grandmother bought at garage sales and never wore, clothes and other personal items my grandmother received as gifts and never used, and on and on.
Some of my unhappiest moments of that time revolved around my aunt’s attempts to clean. She did her best to keep the place manageable - she worked as a house cleaner, after all - but any time she tried to throw out, say, a stack of old and unread newspaper, my grandmother would yell and scream and cry and be totally lost. I still remember the blank look in her eyes when my aunt tried to do this.
I think the culmination of my grandmother’s hoarding behavior was that one day, I walked into her bedroom to discover that she had been saving the used urine test strips she used to manage her diabetes.
After my grandmother’s death, my mother spent months cleaning up all this crap, finding, among this, young children’s toys that my grandmother had bought as gifts to me but had never given me. My mother’s insight on this would be to point out an estate sale she once attended, where everything a deceased woman had owned - literally, everything - was thrown on the lawn to be sold. Dresser drawers had been upended, and the woman’s old ratty underwear were scattered in the breeze.
This is why I reject this kind of Depression-era thinking, even while being a frugality blogger. I think it leads down the road to hoarding; to a life remembered by crap no one else wants to clean up.
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Oh yeah. Definitely. I had a grandmother who, no kidding, would occasionally buy things “because they were on sale”. She was so trapped in the ’save every penny mode’, which translated to ‘only buy things that are on sale’, which turned into ‘buy things that are on sale’. A house so full of kitsch and clutter…
Now I will say that a lot of practical techniques probably were developed during that time. After all, necessity is the mother of invention. But there’s no reason to forego the opportunities of living in modern times simply to try to grab a few lessons from the past. You can do both.
“But there’s no reason to forego the opportunities of living in modern times simply to try to grab a few lessons from the past.”
Absolutely. I guarantee you that most people who lived through hard times have no desire to go back.
I saw that article over on Unclutterer, too, and it was definitely a great read. I don’t think we need another Depression, goodness knows, but I do believe that America needs to wake up to how much we waste and throw out. We can’t keep doing that if we want to get out of debt and not surround ourselves with garbage. I also believe in saving things to reuse/repurpose and I do believe in keeping a well-stocked pantry.
*However*, there is a difference between that and hoarding — a difference that anyone could see looking around my fairly neat and organized home. I limit what I keep and I try not to keep (or even bring in) stuff that I don’t need. Hoarders tend to fill every available space with stuff “just in case” they need it, and they tend to keep a lot of things more sentimental reasons — to the extent that most non-hoarding but still sentimental people scratch their heads.
For example, when I do have butter wrappers, I will keep them to grease pans. Why not? For me, it’s just too easy not to. However, you’re not going to find a pile of them in my fridge. I don’t go through that much butter, but even if I did, why keep more than I’d use in a reasonable period?
And if I happen to be given ketchup packets, I may use them at home — but I’m not going to take a handful if I don’t need them for my meal, and I don’t eat a lot of fast food anyhow. And I’m definitely not going to put them into a regular ketchup bottle. Now that is a waste of time! My advice to that person would be to get over it. There’s no shame in just using the packets.
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Interesting thoughts. My own mother was a Great Depression kid, and she stockpiled stuff her whole life. I take after her and also have a hard time giving things up…because “they might be useful sometime” (and sometimes they actually are!)
But your description of your grandmother’s house full of things that she COULD not give up sounds like more than just Depression era frugality…it’s probably what would now be considered clinical “OCD.”
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ooohhh I o agree. my poor granny lived thru the depression and saved everything. she had a junk room. she was a great person but was overshadowed by her clutter. my poor mother grew up trying to toss stuff to tidy up and my granny would die. that made her and me thru my mom such not clutterers. she always had a stack of magazines to rad when she retired. she had a house fire that destroyed it all but her and her pets. we took them and set her up in an apartment and we bought her new stuff. i think it made her relieved really. she still had that mindset but didnt have all those years to retock the clutter. they made her move from the apartment due to this even though i cleaned it weekly so she moved in with us and that stopped it in the bud. she was pretty good then. i guess having the company around constantly made her not need the clutter.
but no they dont need to glamorize the depression at all. people were tougher then and it was a horrible time for the country.
i hope to God we arent headed that way.
WOW. My mom went up north for four months to help my grandma get her life more organized. She had been convinced, finally, to move into an assisted living home where she’d have her freedom but also have some help. All we needed to do was get her house in order. It never happened–she would get just as upset when my mom tried to throw out a dirty rag that had been sitting around in the attic. It was frustrating for my mom, heartbreaking for my grandma, and ended up with four months of stress and one grandma still living in the same home a year later surrounded by piles of stuff. Now my mom and I both know where we get our tendency towards being pack rats from. Thanks for this post… sometimes seeing that my family isn’t the only one is really helpful!
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